Wednesday, June 24, 2009

Today in Racism

If we are going to prosecute folks for spreading racism and hate on the Internet, we should probably start here.
Hard to believe this fascist's blog is considered "mainstream" in this country.
A charming little thread posted today at, operated by a hate-filled woman in Delisle, Sasketchewan. Kate Macmillan, the Julius Streicher of the Canadian internet, has edited some of the comments that call her on her racism, but she has not taken out any that are blatant racial attacks on Native people. It's disgusting:

Original post:

June 24, 2009
What's Wrong With You People?
Can't you buy your own? What does a freaking bottle of hand sanitizer cost, anyway?
Posted by Kate at June 24, 2009 2:52 PM

antibacterial hand sanitizer to kill a virus?
Posted by: bobbie at June 24, 2009 2:58 PM

How did indians survive all those centuries before the federal government ran their lives for them?
You'd think the government would have to send every indian a doctor just to perform CPR on them 24/7 so they wouldn't have to go through the hassle of breathing on their own.
Posted by: Jason at June 24, 2009 3:06 PM

A bar of soap might be worth looking into.
Posted by: doowleb at June 24, 2009 3:08 PM

Do they want us to apply it to their hands as well?? Wipe off the excess for them?
Posted by: Soccermom at June 24, 2009 3:14 PM

They might not make it to the next bingo game if they had to buy their own. Talk about the give-me population. I suppose all other hygiene products must also be given out for free. Time to get rid of the Indian Act.
Posted by: MaryT at June 24, 2009 3:15 PM

Read that the stuff doesn't really work that well. Simply will not substitute for hand washing with soap for 20 seconds.
Don't rely on it.
Posted by: Gunney99 at June 24, 2009 3:20 PM

Filed under 'you can't have it both ways, chief!'
Posted by: Aaron at June 24, 2009 3:20 PM

Yay, Free Everything !!! Socialism on the Road to Communism at its finest. The Govern-mental Provider of Free Everything !!!
But seriously Gunney99 has it bang on "hand washing with soap for 20 seconds"
Posted by: Rural and Right at June 24, 2009 3:24 PM

You might be able to buy it for yourself if you live in southern Canada, but in the dry reserves they aren't allowed to stock it on the shelves or in the pharmacy.
Posted by: MeinBC at June 24, 2009 3:33 PM

I think it's also a factor of the patronizing attitude of Indian Affairs, who stupidly consider that IF a product contains alcohol and IF native reserves have a great deal of alcohol, THEN, the product can't be shipped to the reserve.
I presume this excludes various medicinal products such as..ahh..calamine lotion, Clinique products, and so on.
And yes, apparently they don't work that well. But, you'll still find them everywhere in the halls in hospitals.
Do they assume that someone on the reserve is going to set up a shop to separate the alcohol from the other products in the hand sanitizer and then....?
Posted by: ET at June 24, 2009 3:44 PM

Editors note:
This comment has been deleted, along with your other comments, due to the misuse of a third party's identity.
Your ip address has been noted and will be turned over at request should this person seek remedy against you.
Now, I strongly suggest that you find another place to play.
Posted by: Jennifer Lynch at June 24, 2009 3:46 PM

Hmmm ... I wonder if the delay is related to the fact that for the sanitizer to effective it must contain at least 30% alcohol ... regardless if it is methol or ethol alchol perhaps the concern is they might drink it !!!!!!!!!!!!!
... Duhhhhhhhh just wash your hands with soap !
Posted by: Brian at June 24, 2009 3:49 PM

" ... No racists here. No siree...
Posted by: Jennifer Lynch at June 24, 2009 3:46 PM ..."
Ah yes ... it is racist to tell someone to wash there hands ... oh but I forgot the lunatic BC HRC deemed that it was an HR offense for MacDonalds to insist one of their workers wash their hands.
Posted by: Brian at June 24, 2009 3:52 PM

Don't have basic toiletries? Blame whitey! Drop a kid in Wal-mart? It's society's fault! Leave your kids half naked outside in a blizzard? Get a lawyer to lay it on whitey! Want some respect and self esteem? Quit blaming everyone else for your problems and take responsibility for your family and community!
Posted by: DougInPA at June 24, 2009 3:56 PM

"I quickly pointed out that it's just as easy to get a bottle of Lysol in these communities as anything else. So to think that people are going to be purchasing Purel to become intoxicated, that's quite an outrageous leap to make."
Now THAT"S brand loyalty.
Posted by: richfisher at June 24, 2009 3:57 PM

Let's see, to what lengths will alcohol abusers go to see if it is "absolutely outrageous" to worry about people trying to distill the alcohol out of hand sanitizer. Drinking Lysol. Rubbing alchohol. Listerine. Engine anti-freeze. The alcohol from certain instrument gauges. Shoe polish. Some people make "bean juice" which is apparently very potent. Lock de-icer.
Yes, it is absolutely outrageous to think that anyone would even THINK about drinking hand sanitizer.
Posted by: grok at June 24, 2009 3:59 PM

Wouldn't this fall under "assimilation" if we sent them hand sanitizer?
Posted by: grok at June 24, 2009 4:03 PM

Garden Hill is in the middle of nowhere. I dont even know if they have a variety store there....seriously. It would depend on a reserve person or the reserve itself to run the store.
Many of these places are screwed up that way.
As for why the fed's need to supply or would stop hand sanitizers going up there...???? Oh my goodness. I would be curious to know if the health minister, an accomplished Inuit knew of these views being expressed. One cant assume that "community" of aboriginals is homogeneous in its views.
Would it shoock me if she was one of the people worried about that. Not at all.
By the way, how does a virus like that get to an isolated community. Must come through the pilots and passengers who are in airports. Honestly, Garden Hill is about as far from civilization as you can get. The only way in is float plane I believe.
Weird story....why the federal government wants to be responsible for every burp and quirk in these communities is beyond me.
Posted by: Stephen at June 24, 2009 4:05 PM

you just freeze the sanitizer on a popsicle stick and munch away, no worst then inhaling gasoline fumes is it???
Posted by: GYM at June 24, 2009 4:10 PM

What really took the cake was a Native woman in the report last night saying that delaying the shipment of hand sanitizer was "bordering on racism."
"Racism" and "racist" are no longer meaningful terms, as they are applied so promiscuously.
I guess this is where the Charter of Rights and Freedoms has brought us without the commensurate responsibilities and obligations.
Posted by: batb at June 24, 2009 4:11 PM

"What does a freaking bottle of hand sanitizer cost, anyway?" About 5 to 7 dollars.
Posted by: Warren Z at June 24, 2009 4:12 PM

As I understand it, some of the chiefs were afraid people would drink it.
"But Chief David Harper, of the Garden Hill First Nation in Manitoba, said he had such a discussion about alcohol-based sanitizers with his councillors, and they believed they had legitimate concerns. So, they found an alternative product."
One presumes Chief David Hill and his councilors would know whereof they speak, yes? I suspect drinking the sanitizer would kill you quicker than the swine flu.
Posted by: The Phantom at June 24, 2009 4:18 PM

I suspect the reason Kate raises First Nations issues in a negative way is due to some weird sense of envy - she knows full well the legitimacy of the s.35 rights and yet assails them in a forum that prevents any discussion of the legal and constitutional rights - keep banging your head on the wall Kate - there nothing you can do to change things
Posted by: BeardysCree at June 24, 2009 4:20 PM

I read this story last night and it made us laugh. Good grief! All of the medical releases regarding the flu, protect your self, WASH YOUR HANDS! You can't sit back and expect the government to come in a do that too!
Posted by: MaryM at June 24, 2009 4:22 PM

"keep banging your head on the wall Kate - there nothing you can do to change things"
"First Nations Politics: dedicated to upholding the definition of insanity".
Posted by: Kate at June 24, 2009 4:24 PM

Nothing sanitizes the hands better than good old soap and water. Surely they wouldn't need instructions on how to do that now, would they?
Oops, is that a racist statement?
Posted by: Liz J at June 24, 2009 4:27 PM

"... By the way, how does a virus like that get to an isolated community. Must come through the pilots and passengers who are in airports. Honestly, Garden Hill is about as far from civilization as you can get. The only way in is float plane I believe.
Posted by: Stephen at June 24, 2009 4:05 PM ..."

Stephen , when I first heard about H1N1 in some of these remote places , it made me wonder if the virus has actually been around and only recently has been identified.
Posted by: Brian at June 24, 2009 4:30 PM

Soap and water folks. Besides, those little bottles are not recyclable so we can't offend the green (eco) folks now can we. Heck, if they are so worried about keeping it a dry reserve then do what the Muslims do who had the same issue (for different reasons)in the British hospitals?
BeardysCree; under what section of any treaty does it mention hand sanitizer or are you just selectively interpreting it for us?
Posted by: Texas Canuck at June 24, 2009 4:39 PM

I read through the comments. God, SDA is such a shameful circus. Bigotry, racism, and tolerance in Canada do indeed have place to call home. Here.
At Kate's.
Posted by: Torybaiter at June 24, 2009 4:58 PM

I read through the comments. God, SDA is such a shameful circus. Bigotry, racism, and intolerance in Canada do indeed have place to call home. Here.
At Kate's.
Posted by: Torybaiter at June 24, 2009 4:58 PM

some years ago I worked "up north" as a teacher and was regularly assailed by my grade 9/10 students over how bad the government treated Aboriginals vs "White Men".
Their proof was housing. They would look at newspapers from major southern cities and deduce from the Real Estate section that the government was against them because it "gave the White Men much nicer houses than it gave Aboriginals"
My counter argument that the houses depicted in the newspapers didn't come from the government and had to be purchased was met with incredulity and accusations of lying.
Socialism . . . killing native cultures around the world much more insidiously than any conqueror's Army ever could.
Posted by: Fred at June 24, 2009 4:59 PM

Looks like we have two things.
Completely insane politicians and completely helpless Indians. Both are pretty useless as well.
We have a serious shortage of adults in Canada.
This sort of dilemma is what makes me embarrassed to be a Canadian.
Posted by: Momar at June 24, 2009 5:01 PM

I am not a doctor but many hand sanitizers are 30% or more ethyl alcohol or isopropanol. Both of these are hazardous to the health.
If this is indeed true then perhaps the swine flu was less risky than the chance of somebody drinking the sanitizer. The AFN may be a tad overreacting to some intelligent considerations.
Posted by: Earl the Pearl at June 24, 2009 5:01 PM

There's a small pox blanket joke in here somewhere
Posted by: Kathy Shaidle at June 24, 2009 5:07 PM

A bar of soap might be worth looking into.
I owned one of those once, but I gave it to a friend after I spent an entire evening unable to locate the ON switch.
Posted by: Sean at June 24, 2009 5:16 PM

In dry communities, you can't buy it. I think, though, instead of a debate in Ottawa, the discussion could have taken place with the band offices and let the Chiefs decide, as with Chief Harper.
If the community wants it, bring it in (and have it for sale). If they do not, there are obviously alternatives.
The federal government should let the band politicians make those decisions.
Posted by: cold canadian at June 24, 2009 5:19 PM

What exactly do you stand for, Kate? All you seem to do is spread hatred.
Posted by: Mary Sunshine at June 24, 2009 5:30 PM

The Editor's note of 3:46PM.
I didn't read the comments as they were deleted prior to my accessing the comments session.
I do, however believe that the commenter was deleted because he/she used Jennifer Lynch as a nom-de-blog.
While I can't disagree with the deletion, I must question why this was done when, in the past, other commenters have used such names as George Bush, Joe Clarke and others.
Are we still so afraid of the CHRC so that we cannot refer to Herself without fear of an action??
I'm not trying to be truculent here, only wanting an explanation as to why other prominent names are allowed and a cheap bureaucratic lackey's is not.
Posted by: Gerry at June 24, 2009 5:34 PM

antibacterial hand sanitizer to kill a virus?
The alcohol in it literally takes proteins apart.
"What does a freaking bottle of hand sanitizer cost, anyway?" About 5 to 7 dollars.
~Warren Z
They're selling them at Dollaramas for $1 each.
Posted by: Oz at June 24, 2009 5:41 PM

I have deleted imposters consistently in the past, and banned those who persisted.
There are other threads here inviting discussion on Jennifer Lynch, so your other question could have answered itself.
Names like "George Bush" are such obvious fakes, they don't rise to the same level of deceit. And of course, sometimes I just don't see them.
Posted by: Kate at June 24, 2009 5:43 PM

They couldn't afford it because, well, $10.5 billion dollars a year doesn't go as far as it used to..
Posted by: Kursk at June 24, 2009 5:46 PM

It is the left that should be ashamed for fostering the climate of soft racism in Canada when it comes to aboriginals.After all, the vast majority of the abuses came under the watch of 'Canada's natural governing party'
It took however, a Conservative govt to give women in their community matrimonial property rights, and it was the Conservatives who made the formal apology for the dismal Canadian Indian residential school system.
What has the left done to alleviate the misery, abuse and corruption of Canada's aboriginals, besides throwing good money after bad?
Claiming to earmark five billion dollars for the so called Kelowna Accord was a sham and an insult to those the left claimed they wanted to help.If it looks good without having to spend money (or to actually have to put actions to the rhetoric) the Liberals and NDP will be there with bells on..
Posted by: Kursk at June 24, 2009 6:01 PM

yep.hand cleaner to thwart all diease. why, with 100k per native being consumed by indian affairs is there a hungry, sick or dirty inian in this country. they should all be healthy and living in conditions better than the rest of us.
Posted by: old white guy at June 24, 2009 6:38 PM

While in the waiting room at the childrens hospital last weekend, I watched a non-native man come in, rip the hand sanitizer off the wall, stuff into his backpack and walk out!
Posted by: jude at June 24, 2009 6:49 PM

First Nations leaders in Manitoba have slammed federal health officials...
If I were a native/aboriginal/indian, I'd be p'd-off with the Big Chiefs who attracted this sillyness in the first place. What kind of reaction did they expect to such a story?
But I'm not, and don't let my use of the subjunctive mislead.
Posted by: g at June 24, 2009 6:58 PM

Garden Hill has multiple daily flights from Winnipeg via Perimeter Air. It's not really all that isolated, it's merely remote.
Getting a crate of sanitizer to the band should be trivial. Sounds like a money grab to me.
Posted by: Adune at June 24, 2009 7:12 PM

"I have deleted impostors consistently in the past, and banned those who persisted."
George Bush, Jennifer Lynch are obvious fakes but I'm pretty sure that's the real Vitruvius posting though. The boy just knows too much. Perhaps a reincarnation of sorts. If he is the real one he's aged very gracefully. Due to clean living no doubt.
Posted by: gord at June 24, 2009 7:23 PM

After a couple'o millenia, you get used to this sort'o stuff, Gord ;-) But seriously, though, actually, someone from IP address just posted as me (although with obvious errors) on another thread. I have unpublished said comment and left a note there, but be aware.
Posted by: Vitruvius at June 24, 2009 7:30 PM

Oh no you di_n't! Whatcha mean "you people"?
batb said:
"What really took the cake was a Native woman in the report last night saying that delaying the shipment of hand sanitizer was "bordering on racism.""
I suspect that if the hand sanitizer was distributed, and someone did get drunk or sick; the same commenter’s would accuse the Conservatives of being ignorant to the First Nation’s struggle with alcoholism. The financial and political cost of distributing the sanitizer is far greater than the chosen alternative.
Posted by: Indiana Homez at June 24, 2009 7:42 PM

"It appears that public health officials, the First Nations and Inuit Health Branch and chiefs discussed the sanitizer issue and whether it would be appropriate to send the disinfectants to communities battling alcohol addiction."------Well,I never,this is so racist.How dare they !!!
Posted by: wallyj at June 24, 2009 7:52 PM
"A senior health official confirmed to the committee that chiefs and public-health officials debated the sanitizer issue at length in the nascent stages of the outbreak last month. 'The discussion was with the best interests of our clients in mind,' said Anne-Marie Robinson, assistant deputy minister of Health Canada's First Nations and Inuit Health Branch. 'We have had some rare experiences in our communities where we have had theft of hand sanitizers. … We do have communities where we have large proportions of people who suffer from addiction. … We have had a number of people come forward, and some evidence, where this could potentially put people at risk.'"
OK. What's wrong with the picture the media is portraying about HandSanitizerGate, which seems to be the sole fault of the federal government, read: the CPC?
'Seems that some Native chiefs and "a number of other people" were angling for the alcohol-laden hand sanitizers not to be sent to Native reserves for fear they might jeopardize those with alcohol-related addictions, but the blame still seems to have been laid solely at the feet of the CPC -- especially in the television media and by many of the Native chiefs.
David McDougall, chief of St. Theresa Point First Nation, says, “The whole community was put at risk because someone was worried that a handful of people might abuse the stuff.”
"Someone" is at fault. And, according to Mr. McDougall, it's not him or his people, it's the government. And according to Torybaiter, above, anyone who points this out is "bigot[ed], racis[t], and intoleran[t]."
You're right, Indiana Homez. If someone dies from the shipment of hand sanitizers to some reserves, PMSH and his CPC will get it in the jugular for that.
'Damned if they do, damned if they don't.
Posted by: batb at June 24, 2009 8:02 PM

wallyj, we must have been on the same wavelength ... now what?!
Posted by: batb at June 24, 2009 8:04 PM

White people are continually berated for being slave owners, being cruel to native populations, being arrogant and uncaring and bigoted and cruel and greedy and selfish etc etc. But that is all okay right?
Yet when another culture is criticized for appearing to be pretty useless, inept and pitifully reliant on other people's kindness and EXTORTED MONEY .. (through satire, cynicism and humor) ... that is NOT OK RIGHT?
It should be noted that in the past there were some awful things done by white people to Indians and Negros, but that was a long time ago. There is no one living today who has done these horrid things. Those who are living today are paying through the nose to support and pacify those offended peoples. Those people have every opportunity to do whatever they wish and achieve whatever they want. In fact through affirmative action they actually have more opportunity now that white folks.
What you trolls are missing is that it is not bigotry or racism at work, it's frustration that our leaders are perpetuating this sorry condition and there seems to be nothing to change it.
Until people get up on their hind legs and do for themselves, they cannot expect anything but resentment and scorn.
I have seen native reservies and black ghettos and what they have in common is squalor and filth. Housing that is falling aparty, graffiti, old cars, weeds, trash all littering everything.
Why is this small bit of effort to clean it up and paint it beyond the pale with these people? Where is the pride and self respect?
I remember the swell of Italians that flowed into Canada in the fifties. They had trouble getting jobs. Yet their homes were neat and tidy and they all had gardens. Many of them just went into business for themselves and to this day they literally have a stranglehold on the construction industry in Ontario. They have fully assimilated and are community leaders. The same for the Greeks and Poles and Ukrainians. They all came here with nothing and in those days they received nothing from government.
There is no excuse for living the desperate live that we see on reservations and ghettos. How one lives is a CHOICE when you live in a country that allows people to choose.
I don't feel sorry for the po' Indians who cannot get hand cleaner. They could get it if they wanted to.
The Indian industry gets about 12 billion a year. if we divided that up, each native would be rich.
I cannot even guess at what the immigration department is wasting.
The real issue is that those of us who work our assess of to make a life for ourselves and our families, are tired of paying for those who lay around and whine all day.
That scenario is a direct result of Liberalism gone haywire.
When you help someone, they will always remember you ... the next time they need help.
Who was it that said ...
- The Lord helps those who help themselves?
- The harder I work, the luckier I get.
- Nothing good comes easy.
There is no mystery to being successful and self-reliant. It takes a little gumption and a willingness to work.
My best advice is to get of the arse and figure out how to get your own hand cleaner. It will make you proud.
I have a few successful native friends. They work and live pretty much the way I do.
Posted by: Momar at June 24, 2009 8:16 PM

"What exactly do you stand for, Kate? All you seem to do is spread hatred."
No hatred here. Kate just exposes the "insanity" that many of us miss because we don't read the MSM.(oh, are they then spreading hatred?)
Horny toad
Posted by: Horny Toad at June 24, 2009 8:37 PM

We should stop being so racist and paternalistic, and ship them all the hand sanitizer they need. We could make Christopher Pauchay the Commissar of Hand Sanitizer.
What could possibly go wrong?
Posted by: gordinkneehill at June 24, 2009 8:40 PM

Oh it was KATE that deleted that post! Whew!
I saw "Jennifer Lynch" and thought that SDA had been taken over by the CHRC and we were all in the sh*t!
Posted by: Edward Teach at June 24, 2009 8:49 PM

"What really took the cake was a Native woman in the report last night saying that delaying the shipment of hand sanitizer was "bordering on racism."
Funny....I would bet that IF they had gotten Hand Sanitizer they would be all over the government for promoting alcohol abuse on reserves.
The CPC government cannot win for losing. i would really like to know the back story on this - as I am sure this is being spun for maximum effect.
Posted by: Alberta Girl at June 24, 2009 8:49 PM

Sigh....i see batb said exactly the same thing - which I would have known if I had taken the time to read the comments before posting my own.
Posted by: Alberta Girl at June 24, 2009 8:51 PM

"What really took the cake was a Native woman in the report last night saying that delaying the shipment of hand sanitizer was "bordering on racism."
Well it's official now. That word no longer has any meaning.
Posted by: Edward Teach at June 24, 2009 8:58 PM

BeardysCree wrote: "I suspect the reason Kate raises First Nations issues in a negative way is due to some weird sense of envy - she knows full well the legitimacy of the s.35 rights and yet assails them in a forum that prevents any discussion of the legal and constitutional rights - keep banging your head on the wall Kate -there nothing you can do to change things"
What is to be envied about adults who will not take their own destinies into their own hands?
Proper hygiene clears up a lot of things, moreso than impulse-buy hand sanitiser.
Wash. Your hands.
Posted by: Osumashi Kinyobe at June 24, 2009 9:08 PM

Vile thread. You should all be ashamed.
I see it is being mocked at
Posted by: Mary Sunshine at June 24, 2009 9:19 PM

What's Ottawawatch and how many readers does it have?
A racist is a conservative winning an argument with a liberal/telling the truth in public.
Posted by: Kathy Shaidle at June 24, 2009 9:29 PM

" ... this is very close to racism" are the exact words of Grand Chief Betsy Kennedy of the War Lake First Nations Reserve.
Chief Kennedy is "demanding an apology." It's not clear from whom she's hoping she'll get one, but in the context of the media presentation of the issue, with Natives "outraged," it would appear she'd like an apology from "government officials." Interestingly, however, some of these government officials appear to be Native themselves (Anne Marie Robinson, assistant deputy minister of Health Canada's First Nations and Inuit Health Branch, talked about "our communities" when referring to concerns about theft of the hand sanitizers and addictions.) So, will Grand Chief Kennedy be asking an apology of them, as well?
It's "close to racism," IMO, to accuse non-Native "government officials" and not her own people of delaying delivery of hand sanitizers to Native reserves.
Listen to how CTV couched the controversy on last night's newscasts:
"Government officials may have delayed giving First Nations people hand sanitizers because they contained alcohol, and leaders are outraged."
Yup. It's racism, pure and simple, and all Whitey's fault -- and yet close observation of what has happened in this controversy, makes it clear that Native leaders are just as culpable of wrongdoing, if that's what it is, as the 'guilty' "government officials."
Posted by: batb at June 24, 2009 9:31 PM

Used to be the indians could make their own soaps from forest things. But i guess theyre too busy/
Posted by: reg dunlop at June 24, 2009 9:37 PM

Mary Sunshine (oh yeah?): "Vile thread. You should all be ashamed."
But you're a fine one to talk. Shame on you for not looking into the details of this issue, for simply accepting at face value what the media has reported about this controversy.
Maybe you can discover who Grand Chief Betsy Kennedy wants an apology from and then explain to the rest of us why, when Native leaders were very much involved in the decision to not send hand sanitizers to certain reserves, it's "racist, non-Native government officials" -- according to the media and Chief Kennedy -- who are solely at fault.
Yes, that would be a fitting penance for your vile misrepresentation of we who "should be ashamed."
Posted by: batb at June 24, 2009 9:40 PM

Hand sanitizer has been a savior for doctors as there was a time 10 years ago when I was ready to start buying gloves in lots of 10,000 as washing ones hands with soap causes dermatitis. There is nothing worse for the hands than washing them 40-50x/day with soap and the only alternative is to put on a new pair of gloves before seeing each patient. When one has dermatitis, hand infections are more likely which is why people don't like using soap.
With hand sanitizer I can use it after every patient and maintain the integrity of my skin. All the literature I've seen demonstrates that hand sanitizer is as effective as washing with soap and water (obviously one uses soap and water when hands get covered with blood or other bodily fluids). Alcohol based hand sanitizers are the best.
To prevent infections one needs to use hand sanitizer after every contact with people and there aren't any places where one can use soap and water on city busses or in taxis. I carry a bottle of alcohol based hand sanitizer with me wherever I go.
One of the possible reasons American indians are getting influenza at higher rates is probably low vitamin D levels. Also, birds seem to transport influenza viruses around the world and birds can easily get into remote reserves. One of the strongest correlates with influenza epidemics is population vitamin D levels as vitamin D is involved in production of antimicrobial peptides in the body. When the H5N1 hysteria first surfaced I started taking 10,000 units of D3 daily and didn't catch a cold from any of my patients for months. Recently I did acquire a viral infection and this was when I thought it was time to get my vitamin D from sunlight and backed off the high dose D3 (obviously I've been working too many hours and not spending enough time outside). H5N1 is no big deal and just a way for the world hysteria organization to get more publicity for itself.
Posted by: loki at June 24, 2009 9:45 PM

only those with their hand on the purse stings can be "racist", or AT FAULT, cuz they are the ones that NEED to pay:-))))
Posted by: GYM at June 24, 2009 10:47 PM

On CTV a woman commented that she "just wants to be treated like all Canadians".
OK then, how about paying some taxes?
Or the flip side: I guess I should expect my case of government paid hand sanitizer any day now?
Posted by: Anne (not from Cornwall) at June 24, 2009 10:50 PM

Having lived in St. Theresa Point, the community that has been in the news, I'd like to contribute some basic info on living conditions.
No running water. Water is obtained from a large tank at the bottom of the road.
No septic. Outhouses.
No doctors. Nursing station .
The main store is on an island off the shore...access by boat(or ski-doo)
The entire community is fly-in...
It is indeed a dry community with % alcohol laws. This is not to say that the sanitizer easily available as a security for 'non-native' Canadians shouldn't have been available to STP. Once the flu starts going around, its pretty hard to stop it. Every year. These people have large asthma and diabetes problems which make them more susceptible . Also nutrition is not great, as the cheapest food is also the worst. Only those with credit cards have the option of flying in their own supply. Others are at the mercy of the local store, which in 1990 charged $8 for 4lts of milk and $1 for a banana. We flew our food in from Winnipeg. Even at 50 cents a lb.(at the time) it was much cheaper.
Not all Manitona natives live in fly-in communities, but those that do have a pretty basic lifestyle that doesn't include what we mostly take for water, warmth, food and healthcare.
It ain't easy street.
Posted by: lwestin at June 24, 2009 10:54 PM

No one is saying that acquiring essentials in the north is either cheap or easy. But at some point you have to wonder why they even bother with a band council or chiefs if these twits are so incompetent that they cannot arrange for a case of hand sanitizer to be flown in. If they have time to bitch at the government for not doing it for them, they sure as hell had time to do something about it themselves.
That's the point. What's wrong with these people???

Posted by: Kate at June 24, 2009 11:06 PM
Hand sanitizer is a problem? LOL!
When I worked up north I saw indians melt shoe polish and poor it thru bread to get the alcohol out of it. I think 'hand-sanitizer' is the least of their worries.
The solution to the 'indian cycle of poverty' is to get them the hell off of the reserves and out from the tender mercies of their respective 'elder-councils', give'em a one time monetary/land apology award and call it a day.
Posted by: missing link at June 24, 2009 11:36 PM

lime beer is flying off the shelf,sooooo how about some lime hand sanitizer.
Posted by: inn of the north at June 24, 2009 11:40 PM

I find it strange, that even here at SDA, people address aboriginal issues by deferring to the great "them" ... either the chiefs, the community, the reserve, government, the Band Council, etc. What we have constructed, in essence, is a communist system ... the central committee (the Fed), the politburo made up of the chiefs ... and the regional organizations being the reserves. There is no “individual” left in Indian governance ... it's all one big sloppy tax sucking collective. The Indian person, as an individual, does not exist.
While the rest of us decide, as individuals, whether or not to swill hand sanitizer (or Finesse Hairspray as is the fashion in Saskatoon) Indians are expected to make decisions as a collective ... a herd ... watched over by corrupt chiefs and bureaucrats. Instead of Indian and Northern Affairs, we should call it The Union of Socialist Indian Reserves ... or Cooperatives. It’s a perfect Commi system, right here, under our very noses.
I know that the following is a radical thought and completely foreign to the progressive mindset, but how about each Indian person make a personal decision to either consume hand sanitizer, or to use it for its intended purpose ... and then, to suffer or benefit from the consequences of their actions just like the rest of us are expected to. But then, that’d sidestep the collective.
Posted by: Cjunk at June 24, 2009 11:42 PM

I suspect Chief Kennedy is really looking for an apology with a cheque attached.
Posted by: Scott at June 25, 2009 12:57 AM

Tried some hand sanitizer with coke last night.
Not that good.
Posted by: Yogi at June 25, 2009 7:19 AM

Hearing about conditions at St. Theresa Point (above), I thought, yup, a war zone. Why in G*d's name don't the chiefs, with the almost $13 billion they receive every year DO something about the absolutely appalling medieval conditions that exist on far too many reservations?
The government Sugar Daddy isn't going to fix these problems, no matter how much money they take from the rest of us to throw at the utterly dysfunctional, squalid cesspools far too many reservations have become.
Until the Native chiefs stop blaming Whitey and begin to own their people's problems, roll up their sleeves to solve them, and begin to demand responsibility and accountability from themselves and their people, they're doomed to a sub-sub-standard of living.
My G*d. If my family and I had the resources Native Canadians have been the recipients of for years, we'd be living in the lap of luxury. Natives need a new management model, which has nothing to do with annual payouts of billion$ of taxpayer dollars. Charity begins at home, folks.
Posted by: batb at June 25, 2009 7:24 AM

As others have mentioned, getting off the reserves has got to be an option. Why should Native Canadians be immune to a solution countless people through the millennia have had to resort to when the going gets tough?
When this happens, the tough get going -- usually to other locales where they have a chance of beginning a new life. That's the story of immigration the world over.
Since when are Natives exempt from having to move when the going gets not only tough but unbearable?
Posted by: batb at June 25, 2009 7:42 AM

I'm sorry the post is so long. I just don't want to be accused of selecting, editing or manipulating this stuff. And I just wanted to collect this charming post and comments before they're, um, sanitized.


Anonymous said...

Let's juxtapose, as Small Dead Animals often does:

Kate MacMillan has written columns for the National Post.

Canwest's shares are worth 13 cents.

Ottawa Watch said...

It's vile. The woman is simply trash.

Anonymous said...

One is tempted to ignore her, but when she provides and encourages those types of comments, one tends to take note of the person who promotes such hatred.

kursk said...

'Those' types of comments are made by your neighbours.All across Canada.They say what they feel.They are tired of being blamed for every bad thing that happens to natives, and tired of being held hostage to the money shakedown that is aboriginal affairs.

It is not racist to tell the truth or point out hypocrisy.Read the comments, they will be there, they will not be 'sanitized', unlike the MSM..

It is interesting to note that pointing out the obvious is considered racist by some..quite possibly by the same people who practice their own soft racism by enabling and supporting the conditions that treat all our natives as second class citizens.

An ugly truth, but the truth nonetheless.

Anonymous said...

She likes making fun of the Holocaust as well.

I'm curious as to whether small dead animals will finally be laid to rest by Richard Warman.

Anonymous said...

Growing up near Winnipeg the indians get treated like american blacks in the same racist sort of way.

Anonymous said...

I don't know what it is about SDA and the gal who runs that site (along with Kathy Shaidle at her own loathesome website). Something about death on a mass scale, especially among liberals, Muslims, and aboriginals, just seems to get them excited.

Thanks for highlighting this post, and its comments, Mark.

Anonymous said...

"It is not racist to tell the truth or point out hypocrisy.Read the comments, they will be there, they will not be 'sanitized', unlike the MSM..

It is interesting to note that pointing out the obvious is considered racist by some..quite possibly by the same people who practice their own soft racism by enabling and supporting the conditions that treat all our natives as second class citizens."

Glad to know that Kate is fighting so hard against the oppression of the natives. Funny how all her suggestions involve them giving up their land-claims.

Ottawa Watch said...

Kate does "sanitize" her comments, removing many of those that call her on nher bigotry and lousy thinking.
This is a woman with no education who has a real hate-on for anyone who does. She spews racism and hatred while offering no suggestions to actually improve the country. She is incapable of a coherent argument. All she does is sloganeer and push hot buttons.
I hope Warman cleans her clock. He's not my favorite activist, but she and her friends libeled the guy.

Ti-Guy said...

It's not even the content of the post or the comments that matter. It's the fact that she highlights a rather trivial matter that involves native people to attract the bigoted cretins in her audience and gin up hate and outrage the the comments section. It's a very abstract form of hate speech and perfectly legal (she knows that) but it's hate propaganda nonetheless.

You can go to any clinic or hospital in the south and there is hand-sanitizer everywhere. You can even make off with the extra bottles they have stacked in the toilets, if you're that hard up, an hysterical germophone or a klepto. Who's paying for all that?

Where's the outrage, Kate?

Anonymous said...

Ugh, I can't stand this person. Why give her the free publicity? Everything she says is disgusting and she's totally incapable of rational thought

Ottawa Watch said...

Sunlight is a good disinfectant.

Don said...

Native cultures all over the world have been made dependent by "helpful" governments. People on islands n-bombed by the US are dependent on food shipped in and no longer fish. African agriculture can't compete with millions of tons of western grain dumped there. I don't see any friends of native culture here. You work hard to put them in this position. They don't have hand sanitizer for the same reason thousands of people stayed in New Orleans rather than use the hundreds of available school buses to escape.

Anonymous said...

"They don't have hand sanitizer for the same reason thousands of people stayed in New Orleans rather than use the hundreds of available school buses to escape.

This made no sense.

Anonymous said...

Warren, stop it already... your joke is too much!

Anonymous said...

Yawn. Sessional with too much time on his hands.

Derek Lipman said...


Great post!

The individual is dangerous, and it is worth it to expose bigotry masquerading as social commentary.

Ottawa Watch said...

I was especially floored by Shaidle's smallpox blanket remark. But there's other choice stuff.
Those who think the post and comments have anything to do with hand sanitizer should step back and take another look. This is about finding yet another reason to hold an entire race up to scorn, ridicule and hatred. And this was just one post I chose randomly. This kind of filth is there all the time.
KKK-ate likes to remove and censor comments. She IP bans anyone who doesn't follow the fascist party line. KKK-ate can sue me any time she wants. And the insult of the winged monkeys just makes me laugh.

Don said...

Who's watching Ottawa while you're watching Kate? Why not call this Kate watch? And, you are clearly displaying not a small amount of hatred in that direction. Is some hate better than other hate?

I'm not a native but help like you are providing never helped anyone. I think a lot of natives would benefit if we just stop trying to help so hard.

Carry on now!

Ottawa Watch said...

It took about ten minutes to gather this stuff.
It's only hateful because KKK-ate and you winged monkeys made it that way.

Ottawa Watch said...

And Don, I bet you say "I'm not a racist but..." an awful lot.

CMax said...

The worst part is a prominant radio host endorses this site. Then we wonder why racism is accepted in Saskatchewan.

Ottawa Watch said...

Prominent radio host? Addled Adler?

Anonymous said...

If CMax is talking about Saskatchewan then he is likely talking about John Gormley?

Ayala said...

My father, Izzy Kalman, wrote an extremely helpful free manual to help deal with racism: